Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."
2 Corinthians 5:20

"Fredrick Edward Fleming, wishes to put forth his two cents worth.

First, let me say that we in no way can transfer jurisdiction of this case to the Westminster Presbyterian Church US because, it would be a violation of the issue of jurisdiction. I've thought about this, and see that this violates every precept of law. The founding fathers of this nation building upon the case law of the Old Testament stated that the place of original jurisdiction is the place where the crime was committed. i.e. If a person commits murder in the State of Wisconsin, and was captured in the State of California, the trial must be held in the state where the crime was committed. Such a basic precept of law cannot be violated. With the people of Wisconsin be willing to see the trial of the murderer beheld in California? Know my friends, we cannot transfer the criminal activities of Brian, to another jurisdiction.


Second of all, if we were to ever transfer jurisdiction to the Westminster Presbyterian Church US, we could never take it back. The second part of this would be an issue of double jeopardy. Any decision and I repeat ANY decision that is made by the Westminster Presbyterian Church US, becomes final. To say the least, we would be in violation of issues of law and any action on our part would become null and void. As you also know, the correspondents between the two denominations, becomes evidence against us. Letters wherein the word blackmail are used, will come to haunt us. Everyone will know that we caved in to blackmail. The only honorable way for us to deal with this is to go forward with the trial as scheduled. If we think that the outside world will condemn us because they will think we did it out of spite, I guarantee you we will get more condemnation if they think we turn the matter over to the rag tag bunch of the Westminster Presbyterian Church US. You really think that these are aspects of peacefulness, that will be honored by other churches, when they know that we were blackmail into turning over jurisdiction?


Lastly, the final result of all of this is that we cannot stop the retaliation of Brian and the Westminster Presbyterian Church US.

Do any of us think, that we will stop Brian from fulfilling his blackmail after jurisdiction has been turned over to the Westminster Presbyterian Church US? Remember also, that when Joshua and the people of Israel interred in to covenant they were bound to full fill that covenant even though we are told that it would become a thorn in their side. This will become a thorn in our side.

I believe that the trial of Brian will end out with Jim Brown being the victim. Jim will be portrayed as a weak will, hen peck husband, that his wife where's the pants in the family. The words of Marty, will be used against Jim to show that he should not have become an elder of the church. Lastly Marty, will find the attacks against him increased by Alex. As to the attacks against the denomination, they will continue. The old aspect of I will not hit you, but I can give my information to others that we use it against you and I will stand there with white wash hands. Frank why is it that Brian has preached sermons against musical instruments? I think you know. Brian's claims against me will still stand. However, I do not feel that I have to defend myself against Brian's onslaught. I stand in my Lord, presence and I am washed by his blood. I will continue to labor here in Antigo, Wisconsin.

I strongly caution against us passing on the jurisdiction of this case. I can see no good come of this. It does appear, that Brian, was planning this war over a year ago. The comments he made to me in his basement show us that he was already getting the blackmail ready.

These are the crimes of the worst order. Brian in essence had excommunicated Jim, Beverly and their two children. Even Presbytery acknowledged that it dropping from the rolls was an excommunication. An anathema!!! Do we truly believe in the word of God? If so, would you like to be anathema? These are serious issues and may God make them serious to us, and may we act according to his revealed will."